you out. steve hayes, senior writer for "weekly standard." mara liasson of national public radio. syndicated columnist krauthammer. steve just back from the bowles. congratulations to your packers. >> thank you very much. >> bret: this green is not for the green bay packers, but congratulations. congratulations nonetheless. >> i didn't pretend that it was. yes. >> bret: what about this? the pros and the cons, and what is being said about it? >> well, basically, this is a trade. i mean this is a time shifting maneuver in which you hike employer contributions to unemployment insurance to 2014. you move the level from 7,000, which it is currently to 15,000. so in that sense, john boehner is right. it would be ultimately a job-killing tax hike potentially. the difference is, or the tradeoff is in the interim, you don't pay that. and you don't pay the interest that states are otherwise paying now for 2011 and 2012. but it's a time shifting thing. this is sort of like cash for clunkers.